Yes I know, all the hate for ESO has been in chat for weeks now. Every time Towelliee or someone in chat brings it up, the hatebandwagon starts up. But I've been with Elder Scrolls since Morrowwind and people are taking the ESO suckage the wrong way. Arbiter linked a Forbes article that I'm going to quote first of all. The person who wrote it got quite a thrashing. So let me get started... Firstly, since when did Bioware say it wanted to compete with WoW? I never heard that. Of course it didn't bring much to the table. The questing is well designed. Did people really expect a new MMO when WoW has invented almost everything that there is to invent? However to this day SWTOR is STILL doing successfully good with it's current model and still has a stready playerbase. They wont? Then why do people still pay for SWTOR? Why do people still pay for FF XIV if the P2P is so outdated? People have been paying $15 to WoW for years. I'm sure ESO won't hurt their wallet. It won't hurt my wallet much. Yes I agree that there should be a F2P/P2P model as far as consoles are concerned because on top of the monthly or yearly fee XBL Gold and the PSN give, that may or may not be a lot for gamers to handle. Actually, no they won't. Some players who played SWTOR stopped because to them, it was a clone of WoW and brought nothing new. For others it did and for the current players, they are still enjoying it. Mind you I've spend over 3k in WoW subscription fees and I've played for the past 8 years?It is not bad business at all if you think about it for a minute. Who asks for MMO's in general? People say what MMO's they would like, but no one really asks for an MMO. It just happens. Zenimax is doing very well with ESO if I might add. All games aren't bug free..... The monthly sub fee model is dead? Um...how? WoW hasn't gone F2P, FF XIV hasn't gone F2P, so how exactly is it dead? Many are coming away less then impressed? That may be but what about the thousands of others that are enjoying it? It though was not a "strange decision" as he calls it because Warcraft jumped from an RTS to an MMO and it's still thriving? This is the reason I don't trust Forbes for anything gaming, their editors do not know a damn thing... Now onto all the ESO hate and addressing that. People don't agree with ESO because of one thing. It feels too much like Skyrim. To be honest, it does feel like Skyrim and seeing as how I loved Skyrim to death, and over 400+ hours on 4 different save files. I'm gonna love ESO. ESO is run on a hero engine like SWTOR. But the model they are using is Skyrim and why? It's the most current and most to date model. That's why the combat, the looting, the FPV and the 3rd person view looks like Skyrim because it's using Skyrims model and mechanics. However on the MMO side, the action bars, and abilities are the only different thing. ESO won't introduce anything new, not that I've seen because it simply cannot. WoW has invented....almost everything you can get in an MMO. Wildstars player housing is WoW's garrisons. If you want a different kind of MMO, you are going to be waiting a while. Also, the monthly subscribtion model people aren't liking either. I can see why because XBL is monthy/yearly and so is PSN and people don't want to pay that on top of their Gold subscription or their PSN subscription. So I can see why a monthly and F2P like SWTOR has would work for ESO. Next thing is a comment on the Forbes article explaining what ESO is going to cater too and it's a good question. What is it going to cater too. The MMO crowd or the TES crowd? Well put it this way. WoW evolved from the RTS series and that's practically the same thing ESO is doing is evolving from the TES SP series. WoW's playerbase came from the RTS and current fans that are a fan of the franchise now. The same thing will happen with ESO. Fans from TES that are loyal to TES will form the playerbase on ESO and eventually it will pull players in who want to try a new MMO. So I think it will cater to both crowds. Anyway, like it or dislike it. ESO I think will be successful regardless of the hate. People hated on FF XIV and SWTOR and to this day both of those MMO's are still successful with a steady playerbase. I've been playing it and it has changed A TON since the last patch. Not going to go into any details since it's under NDA but I can say I will enjoy it. The beta's have been simply stress tests too so there really is anything to judge, but to each their own.